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Jerusalem Talmud Terumot 4.8

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English · Heinrich W. Guggenheimer

MISHNAH: One seah of heave which fell into the opening of a storage bin and congealed, Rebbi Eliezer says if the congealed part contains 100 seah it may be lifted by 101; Rebbi Joshua says, it should not be lifted [but] a seah of heave which fell into the opening of a storage bin one should compress. If this is so, why did they say, heave may be lifted in 101? If one does not know whether it was mixed in or where it fell. Two boxes, two storage bins, into one of which a seah of heave fell but it is not known into which one it fell, help to lift one another. Rebbi Simeon says, even if they are in two villages they help to lift one another. Rebbi Yose said: There came a case before Rebbi Aqiba about 50 bundles of vegetables into which one [bundle] fell half of which was heave, and I said before him that it should be lifted, not that heave might be lifted in 51 but that there were 102 halves.

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HALAKHAH: The reasoning of Rebbi Eliezer is inverted: There, he says that the lower ones help to lift the upper, and here he says “if the congealed contains”, therefore not the bottom ones. Rebbi Jeremiah, Rebbi Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, Simeon bar Abba in the name of Cahana: The words of Rebbi Eliezer [imply] that they consider this as if he had added intentionally. Rebbi Hila, Rebbi Assi in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: The words of Rebbi Eliezer [imply] that they consider it as a seah lifted from 100. In the opinion of Rebbi Assi, one is permitted to add, in the opinion of Cahana it is forbidden. If it congealed and then congealed a second time, in the opinion of Rebbi Assi it is permitted, in the opinion of Cahana it is forbidden. In the opinion of Rebbi Assi, even if there is no remainder, in the opinion of Cahana only if he left a remainder.

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“Two boxes in two attics, two storage bins in one attic.” But not two storage bins in two attics. What is the difference between boxes and storage bins? Boxes are usually moved around, storage bins are not.

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Rebbi Zeїra, Rebbi Ḥiyya in the name of Rebbi Simeon: If two boxes were before him, in each one 50 seah, and one seah of heave fell into one of them but it is not known into which of them, if he wants to lift from any one of them he may do so, or he may lift half from this one and half from the other. Similarly, if there were two gatherings of water, each one containing 20 seah, and three log of drawn water fell into one of them but it is not known into which of them, if he wants to lift from any one of them its water collection he may do so, or he may lift half from this one and half from the other.

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Rebbi Simon in the name of Bar Pedaiah: “If before him there were two boxes of fifty seah each; one seah of heave fell into one of them and it is known into which one it fell, then a second [seah] fell and it is not known into which it fell, one says that the second fell into the place of the first.” Why? Because one attaches the damage to the damaged. If in error he added to the known one and made [the heave] disappear, he lifts and makes it permitted. The second [seah] returns to be proven. It turns out that two seot may be lifted from 150 seah. “If there were two boxes of fifty seah each; one seah of heave fell into one of them and it is not known into which one it fell, then a second [seah] fell and it is known into which it fell, one does not say that the first fell into the place of the second.” If in error he added to one and made [the heave] disappear, he lifts and makes it permitted, but the second one remains forbidden until he would add to it in error.

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English · Heinrich W. Guggenheimer

If he said, what is below is heave, above all is profane, or what is below is all profane, above is heave, it depends on his opinion. Also for a miqweh it is the same: If he said, all water below is usable, above is unusable, or all water below is unusable, above is usable, it depends on his opinion.

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English · Heinrich W. Guggenheimer

You say, one may lift from boxes but not from storage bins. How is this? Two storage bins in two attics and a seah of heave fell into one of them, both are forbidden. If he added to one of them and made [heave] disappear in error, he lifts and makes permitted; the second bin, once he would accidentally add to it, will be permitted and does not need lifting since heave was already lifted.

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English · Heinrich W. Guggenheimer

It was stated: “If it is mixed, if may be lifted, unmixed it may not be lifted.” But did we not state: “Rebbi Yose said: There came a case before Rebbi Aqiba about 50 bundles of vegetables into which one [bundle] fell half of which was heave, and I said before him that it should be lifted,” in that case it is unmixed and may be lifted! We want to say that if he resents the admixture, it cannot be lifted but if he does not resent the admixture, it may be lifted. How is that? An impure green melon which fell into 100 pure ones, since he does not resent the admixture, may be lifted, but in case they were prepared for impurity, because then he resents the admixture, it may not be lifted.

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The Jerusalem Talmud, edition, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer (Berlin: De Gruyter, 1999–2015). CC BY. Text from Sefaria (sefaria.org); commentary notes omitted. · Source ↗

Hebrew/Aramaic text: The Jerusalem Talmud, edition by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer (Berlin: De Gruyter, 1999–2015), via Sefaria (sefaria.org). Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/). Changes: footnotes and HTML formatting removed.

The Jerusalem Talmud, edition, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer (Berlin: De Gruyter, 1999–2015). CC BY. Text from Sefaria (sefaria.org); commentary notes omitted. · Source ↗

English translation: The Jerusalem Talmud, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer (Berlin: De Gruyter, 1999–2015); commentary notes omitted, via Sefaria (sefaria.org). Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/). Changes: footnotes and HTML formatting removed.

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