Jerusalem Talmud Ketubot 4.12

משנה: בְּנָן נוּקְבָּן דְּיִהַוְיָן לֵיכִי מִינַאי אִינּוּן תְּהוֹן יָתְבָן בְּבֵיתִי וּמִתְזְנָן מִנִּכְסַי עַד דְּיִתְנַסְבָן לְגוּבְרִין חַיָיב שֶׁהוּא תְנַיי בֵּית דִּין.

MISHNAH: “The female children you will have by me shall live in my house and be supported by my estate until they are married to men”; he is obligated, for this is a stipulation enforced by the court.

הלכה: בְּנָן נוּקְבָּן דְּיִהַוֹן לֵיכֵי מִינַאי כול׳. רִב חִסְדָּא אָמַר. בָּגְרוּ אִיבְּדוּ מְזוֹנוֹת. נִישְׂאוּ אִיבְּדוּ פַרְנָסָתָן. תַּנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה. בָּגְרוּ לֹא נִישְׂאוּ נִישְׂאוּ לֹא בָגְרוּ. אִיבְּדוּ מְזוֹנוֹתָן וְלֹא אִיבְּדוּ פַרְנָסָתָן. רִבִּי אָבִין בְשֵׁם הִילָא. וּמוֹדִין לְהַךְ כְּהָדָא. אָלְמָנָה שֶׁהִיא תוֹבַעַת מִן הַיּוֹרְשִין. הִיא אוֹמֶרֶת. לֹא נִתְקַבַּלְתִי מִכְּתוּבָּתִי. וְהַיּוֹרְשִין אוֹמְרִין לָהּ. נִתְקַבַּלְתְּ כְּתוּבָּתָךְ. עַד שֶׁלֹּא נִישֵּׂאת הַיּוֹרְשִׁין צְרִיכִין לְהָבִיא רְאָיָיה שֶׁנִּתְקַבְּלָה כְתוּבָּתָהּ. נִישֵּׂאת עָלֶיהָ לְהָבִיא הַרְאָיָיה שֶׁלֹּא נִתְקַבְּלָה כְתוּבָּתָהּ. וְהָא תַנִינָן. יְתוֹמָה שֶׁהִשִּׂיאָה אִמָּהּ אוֹ אָחִיהָ וְכָתְבוּ לָהּ מֵאָה וַחֲמִשִּׁים זוּז יְכוֹלָה הִיא מִשֶּׁתַּגְדִּיל לְהוֹצִיא מִיָּדָם. טַעֲמָא דִקְטַנָּה. הָא גְדוֹלָה וִויתִּירָה. תִּיפְתָּר שֶׁנָּטְלָה מִקְצָת. לֹא כֵן אָמַר רִבִּי אֲבִינָה בְשֵׁם רִבִּי אִסִּי. בְּכוֹר שֶׁחָלַק בְּפָשׁוּט חֲזָקָה וִויתֵּר. עוֹד הִיא שֶׁנָּטְלָה מִקְצָת. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בֵירִבִּי בּוּן. לֹא נָטַל זֶה מִבְּכוֹרָתוֹ כְּלוּם. אָתָא עוֹבְדָא קוֹמֵי רִבִּי מָנָא וּבְעָא מֵיעֲבַד כְּהָדָא דְרַב חִסְדָּא. אָמַר לֵיהּ רִבִּי חֲנַנְיָה. וְהָא תַנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה. בָּגְרוּ וְלֹא נִישְׂאוּ נִישְׂאוּ וְלֹא בָגְרוּ אִבְּדוּ מְזוֹנוֹתָן וְלֹא אִבְּדוּ פַרְנָסָתָן. אָמַר לֵיהּ. אֲנָא אָמְרִי שְׁמוּעָה וְאַתְּ אָמַרְתָּ מַתְנִיתָא. תִּבָּטֵל שְׁמוּעָה מֵיקַּמֵּי מַתְנִיתָא.

HALAKHAH: ““The female children you will have by me,” etc. Rav Ḥisda said, if they became adults, they lost the support. If they married, they lost their dowries. Rebbi Ḥiyya stated: “If they became adults without being married or were married without being adults, they lost their support but not their dowries.” Rebbi Abin in the name of Hila: They all agree on the following: If a widow sues the heirs, she says I did not receive my ketubah, but the heirs say you received your ketubah. Before she remarried, the burden of proof is on the heirs that she received her ketubah. After she remarried, the burden of proof is on her that she had not received her ketubah. But did we not state: “If an orphan was married off by her mother or her brother and they wrote her [a dowry of] 150 zuz, after she grows up she can extract from them.” The reason, because she was underage. Therefore, a grown up gave up her claim. Explain it that she had received partial payment. Did not Rebbi Avina say in the name of Rebbi Assi: If a firstborn took as a simple [brother], this is prima facie evidence that he gave up his claim. Still, if she had received part payment. Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Abun said, this one did not take anything from his primogeniture. There came a case before Rebbi Mana, who wanted to act following Rav Ḥisda. Rebbi Ḥananiah said to him, did not Rebbi Ḥiyya state, “if they became adults without being married or were married without being adults, they lost their support but not their dowries”? He said to him: I quoted a tradition, you quoted a Baraita. Let the tradition be disregarded before the Baraita.

וְאַתְּ תְּהֵא יָתְבָא בְּבֵיתִי. רָבִין בַּר חִיָיה בְּעָא קוֹמֵי רִבִּי זְעִירָא. בָּא עָלֶיהָ עוֹדָהּ בְּבֵית אָבִיהָ. מֵעַכְשָׁיו נִתְקַיְימוּ בָהּ תְּנָאֵי כְּתוּבָּה אוֹ אֵינָהּ אֶלָּא דֶּרֶךְ נִישּׂוּאִין. רִבִּי בּוּן בַּר חִיָיה בְּעָא קוֹמֵי רִבִּי זְעִירָא. מָחֲלָה לוֹ עַל כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָהוּ. זְכוּתָהּ אָבְדָה זְכוּת בָּנֶיהָ לֹא אָבְדָה.

““And you shall dwell in my house”. Rebbi Abun bar Ḥiyya asked before Rebbi Ze‘ira: If he slept with her when she still was in her father’s house, did he then activate all ketubah stipulations or is that only by definitive marriage? Rebbi Abun bar Ḥiyya asked before Rebbi Ze‘ira: If she renounced her ketubah, what is the situation? She renounced her rights but not those of her children.