Jerusalem Talmud Ketubot 5.8

משנה: הַמּוֹרֶדֶת עַל בַּעֲלָהּ פּוֹחְתִין לָהּ מִכְּתוּבָּתָהּ שִׁבְעָה דֵינָרִים בַּשַּׁבָּת. רִבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר. שִׁבְעָה טְרָפָּעִיקִין. עַד אֵימָתַי הוּא פוֹחֵת. עַד כְּנֶגֶד כְּתוּבָּתָהּ. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר. לְעוֹלָם הוּא פוֹחֵת וְהוֹלֵךְ שֶׁמָּא תִיפּוֹל לָהּ יְרוּשָׁה מִמָּקוֹם אַחֵר יִגְבֶּה אוֹתָהּ מִמֶּנָּהּ. וְכֵן הַמּוֹרֵד עַל אִשְׁתּוֹ מוֹסִיפִין לָהּ עַל כְתוּבָּתָהּ שְׁלֹשָׁה דֵינָרִין בַּשַּׁבָּת. רִבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר. שְׁלֹשָׁה טְרָפָּעִיקִין.

MISHNAH: If a woman revolts against her husband, one reduces her ketubah by seven denars a week; Rebbi Jehudah says, by seven tropaïkes. For how long does one reduce? Up to the amount of her ketubah. Rebbi Yose says, he continues to reduce, for maybe an inheritance will come to her from outside and he would be able to collect from it. Similarly, if the husband revolts against his wife, one adds to her ketubah three denars a week; Rebbi Jehudah says three tropaїkes.

הלכה: עַד אֵימָתַי הוּא פוֹחֵת עַד כְּנֶגֶד כְּתוּבָּתָהּ כול׳. הָכָא אַתָּ מַר שִׁבְעָה. וְהָכָא אַתָּ מַר שְׁלֹשָׁה. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בֵּרִבִּי חֲנִינָא. הִיא עַל יְדֵי שֶׁהִיא חַיֶיבֶת לוֹ שֶׁבַע הוּא פוֹחֵת מִמֶּנָּה שִׁבְעָה. וְהוּא עַל יְדֵי שֶׁהוּא חַיָיב לָהּ שְׁלֹשָׁה הוּא מוֹסִיף לָהּ שְׁלֹשָׁה. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ שֶׁהִכְנִיסָה לוֹ עֲבָדִים הֲרֵי אֵינָהּ חַיֶיבֶת לוֹ כְּלוּם. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ שֶׁהִתְנָה עִמָּהּ לֹא שְׁאֵר וְלֹא כְסוּת וְלֹא עוֹנָה הֲרֵי אֵינוֹ חַיָיב לָהּ כְּלוּם. מַאי כְדוֹן. כֵּיי דָּמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. צַעֲרוֹ שֶׁלָּאִישׁ מְרוּבֶּה יוֹתֵר מִן הָאִשָּׁה. הָדָא הוּא דִכְתִיב וִיהִי כִּי הֵצִיקָה לּוֹ בִדְבָרֶיהָ כָּל הַיָּמִים וַתְּאַלְצֵהוּ. מָהוּ וַתְּאַלְצֵהוּ. אָמַר רִבִּי יִצְחָק בַּר לָעְזָר. שֶׁהָיְתָה שׁוֹמֶטֶת עַצְמָהּ מִתַּחְתָּיו. וְתִּקְצַר נַפְשׁוֹ לָמוּת. הוּא קָצְרָה נַפְשׁוֹ לָמוּת וְהִיא לֹא קָצְרָה נַפְשׁוֹ לָמוּת. וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים. שֶׁהָיְתָה עוֹשָׂה צוֹרְכָהּ בָּאֲחֵרִים. כָּל שֶׁכֵּן דְּתָבַע. דְּאָמַר רִבִּי נַחְמָן בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי נַחְמָן. הָאֶבֶר הַזֶּה שֶׁבָּאָדָם הַרְעִיבָתוֹ הִשְׂבֵּיעָתוֹ. הִשְׂבֵּיעָתוֹ הַרְעִיבָתוֹ.

HALAKHAH: “For how long does one reduce? Up to the amount of her ketubah”, etc. Here you say seven, and there you say three? Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Ḥanina said, since she is obligated for seven, he deducts seven; he, since he is obligated for three, has to add three. Think of it, if she brought him slaves, she is not obligated for anything! Think of it, if he stipulated [that he is not obligated for] either šĕ‘ēr, or dress, or ‘onāh, he is not obligated for anything! What is it? Following Rebbi Joḥanan, that the suffering of the male is greater than that of the female. That is what is written: “It was when she had nagged him day after day and pressured him.” What means “and pressured him”? Rebbi Isaac ben Eleazar said, that she slipped away from under him. “He felt badly, to die”. He felt badly, ready to die, but she did not feel badly, to die. But some say that she fulfilled her needs with others. So much more she should have wanted, since Rebbi Naḥman said in the name of Rebbi Naḥman: This human limb, if you starved it you satisfied it, if you satisfied it you starved it.

וּכְרִבִּי אֱלִעֶזֶר עַד כַּמָּה הוּא פוֹחֵת. נִישְׁמְעִינָהּ מִן הָדָא. תַּנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה. אֲרוּסָה וְחוֹלָה נִדָּה וְשׁוֹמֶרֶת יָבָם כּוֹתְבִין לָהּ אִיגֶּרֶת מֶרֶד עַל בַּעֲלָהּ. מָה אֲנָן קַיָימִין. אִם בְשֶׁמָּרְדָה עָלָיו וְהִיא נִדָּה. הַתּוֹרָה הִמְרִדְּתָהּ עָלָיו. אֶלָּא כֵן אֲנָן קַיָימִין. שֶׁמָּרְדָה עָלָיו עַד שֶלֹּא בָאָת נִידָּה בְיָדָהּ וּבָאָת לְנִידָּה. הֲרֵי אֵינָהּ רְאוּיָה לִמְרוֹד וְאַתְּ אָמַר כּוֹתְבִין וָכָא פוֹחֵת. מַה מִיפְחוֹת מִפָּרָא פֶרְנוֹן דִּידָהּ. נִישְׁמְעִינָהּ מִן הָדָא. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר. לְעוֹלָם הוּא פוֹחֵת וְהוֹלֵךְ. שֶׁמָּא תִפּוֹל לָהּ יְרוּשָׁה מִמָּקוֹם אַחֵר. וְיַחֲזוֹר וְיִגְבֶּה מִמֶּנָּה. לֹא אָמַר אֶלָּא יְרוּשָׁה. דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ מָצוּי. הָדָא אָמְרָה אֲפִילּוּ לִפְחוֹת מִפָּרָא פֶרְנוֹן דִּידָּהּ פּוֹחֵת. רִבִּי זְעִירָא בְשֵׁם שְׁמוּאֵל. כּוֹתְבִין אִיגֶּרֶת מֶרֶד עַל הָאֲרוּסָה. וְאֵין כּוֹתְבִין אִיגֶּרֶת מֶרֶד עַל שׁוֹמֶרֶת יָבָם. וְהָתַנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה. נִידָּה וְחוֹלָה אֲרוּסָה וְשׁוֹמֶרֶת יָבָם כּוֹתְבִין לָהּ אִיגֶּרֶת מֶרֶד עַל כְּתוּבָּתָהּ. כָּאן בְּמִשְׁנָה הָרִאשׁוֹנָה כָּאן בְּמִשְׁנָה הָאַחֲרוֹנָה. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר בּוּן. אֲפִילוּ תֵימַר כָּן כְּמִשְׁנָה אַחֲרוֹנָה. בֵּית דִּין שֶׁאַחֲרֵיהֶן. מַתְירִין בָּהּ אַרְבַּע שַׁבָּתוֹת וְהִיא שׁוֹבֶרֶת כְּתוּבָּתָהּ וְיוֹצְאָה.

Following Rebbi Eliezer, how far can he deduct? Let us hear from the following: Rebbi Ḥiyya stated: One writes a bill of rebellion for the husband of a preliminarily married woman, or a sick one, a menstruating woman or one who is waiting for her levir. Where do we hold? If she rebelled against him when she was having her period, the Torah made her rebel against him! But we must hold that she rebelled against him before she had her period and now she has it. At that moment she would not be able to rebel but you say one writes, therefore one also deducts. From where does one deduct? From the additions to her ketubah. Let us hear from the following: “Rebbi Yose says, he continues to reduce, for maybe an inheritance will come to her from outside and he would be able to collect from it.” He mentioned only inheritance, which is infrequent. That means he deducts from the additions to he ketubah. Rebbi Ze‘ira in the name of Samuel: One writes a bill of rebellion for a preliminarily married woman, but one does not write a bill of rebellion for one who is waiting for her levir. But did not Rebbi Ḥiyya state that one writes a bill of rebellion on the ketubah of a menstruating woman or a sick one, a preliminarily married woman or one who is waiting for her levir? There, according to the first Mishnah, here according to the later Mishnah. Rebbi Yose bar Abun said, even if you say according to the later Mishnah, ”the later Court [instituted that] one warns her for four weeks, then she writes a receipt for her ketubah and leaves.”

רִבִּי חֲנִינָה בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל בֵּירִבִּי יֹסֵא. הַיּוֹצְאָה מִשֵּׁם שֵׁם רָע אֵין לָהּ בְּלָיוֹת. מוֹרֶדֶת יֵשׁ לָהּ. רִבִּי סִימוֹן בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי. הַמּוֹרֶדֶת וְהַיּוֹצֵאת מִשֻׁם שֵׁם רָע אֵין לָהּ לֹא מְזוֹנוֹת וְלֹא בְלָיוֹת.

Rebbi Ḥanina in the name of Rebbi Ismael ben Rebbi Yose: A wife who leaves because of a bad reputation has no rags; the rebellious one has rags. Rebbi Simon in the name of Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: The rebellious one and the one who leaves because of a bad reputation can claim neither sustenance nor rags.

אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֶה. אִילֵּין דְּכָתְבִין. אִין שְׂנָא אִין שְׂנָאת. תְּנַיי מָמוֹן. וּתְנַיָין קַיָים.

Rebbi Yose said: Those who write: “If he hates, if she hates”, that is a monetary condition and these conditions are valid.