Jerusalem Talmud Ketubot 4.3

משנה: הַמְאָרֵס אֶת בִּתּוֹ וְגֵירְשָׁהּ אֵרְסָהּ וְנִתְאַלְמְנָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ שֶׁלּוֹ. הִישִּׂיאָהּ וְגֵירְשָׁהּ הִישִּׂיאָהּ וְנִתְאַרְמְלָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ שֶׁלָּהּ. רִבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר. הָרִאשׁוֹנָה שֶׁלָּאָב. אָמְרוּ לֹו מִשֶׁהִשִּׁיאָהּ אֵין לְאָבִיהָ רְשׁוּת בָּהּ.

MISHNAH: If somebody gives his daughter in preliminary marriage and she was divorced, in preliminary marriage and she was widowed, the ketubah belongs to him. If he gave her in definitive marriage and she was divorced, in definitive marriage and she was widowed, the ketubah belongs to her. Rebbi Jehudah says, the first ketubah is his. They said to him, from the moment he gave her in definitive marriage, he no longer has any power over her.

הלכה: הַמְאָרֵס אֶת בִּתּוֹ כול׳. אָמַר רִבִּי בּוּן בַּר חִיָיה. טַעֲמָא דְּרִבִּי יוּדָה כְּדֵי שֶׁיְּהֵא אָדָם מָצוּי לִיתֵּן לְבִתּוֹ בְּעַיִן יָפָה. רִבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אָחָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יִצְחָק. מִמּוֹצִיא שֵׁם רַע לָמַד רִבִּי מֵאִיר. וְהָתַנֵּי רִבִּי חִיָיה. זִינְתָה וְעוֹדָהּ בְּבֵית אָבִיהָ מִשֶּׁבָּגְרָה הוֹצִיא עָלֶיהָ שֵׁם רַע. הוּא אֵינוֹ לוֹקֶה וְאֵינוֹ נוֹתֵן מֵאָה סֶלַע אֶלָּא אוֹ הִיא אוֹ זוֹמְמֶיהָ מַקְדִימִין לְבֵית הַסְּקִילָה. רִבִּי מָנָא בְעָא קוֹמֵי רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ. הוֹצִיא עָלֶיהָ שֵׁם רַע עוֹדָהּ נַעֲרָה וּבָגְרָה. אָמַר לֵיהּ. שָׁמַעְנוּ שֶׁנּוֹתֵן לְאָבִיהָ. אָמַר רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה קוֹמֵי רִבִּי זְעוּרָא. וְתַמְיָה אֲנִי הֵךְ רַבָּנִין מְדַמּוּ כְּתוּבָּה לִקְנָס. וְלֹא דָמֵי. דּוּ כְּתוּבָּה מִשָּׁעָה הָרִאשׁוֹנָה וּקְנָס בַּסּוֹף. וְאַתְּ אָמַר אָכֵן. אָמַר לֵיהּ. וּמִי יֹאמַר לָךְ. וַאֲפִילוּ קְנָס מִשָּׁעָה הָרִאשׁוֹנָה הוּא. וְאַתְיָא דְּרִבִי מָנָא כְּרִבִּי יִרְמְיָה וּכְרִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר זְעִירָא.

HALAKHAH: “If somebody gives his daughter in preliminary marriage,” etc. Rebbi Abun bar Ḥiyya said, the reason of Rebbi Jehudah is to encourage a man to give an ample dowry to his daughter. Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa in the name of Rebbi Isaac: Rebbi (Meïr) learned from the calumniator. Did not Rebbi Ḥiyya state: If she whored while in her father’s house and he calumniated her after she became an adult, he is not flogged nor does he pay 100 tetradrachmas but either she or the false witnesses are executed by stoning? Rebbi Mana asked before Rebbi Yose: Think of it, if he calumniated her when she was an adolescent and now she is an adult? He said to him, we heard that he pays to her father. Rebbi Jeremiah said before Rebbi Ze‘ira: I am wondering how could the rabbis compare a ketubah to a fine when they are not comparable! For the ketubah is an obligation from the first hour but the fine is only at the end; and you say so? He said to him, who says that to you? Even the [obligation of the] fine is from the first moment. It turns out that Rebbi Mana is like Rebbi Jeremiah and (like Rebbi Yose ben Ze‘ira).